No, this is not a post about Facebook.
One of the main topics of conversation on fertility blogs,
or pregnancy loss/trying to conceive message boards/websites, is the issue of
friendships; how they change, how we deal with friends who have children, how
they deal with us. It’s a difficult
topic, and I’ve read countless blogs and forum posts about friendships that
change. The pain, anguish, anger and
hurt in these posts are almost palpable.
I’ve also been considering a post about one of my own
friendships that has irreversibly changed over the last ten years. But I’m a bit nervous, fearful that my friend
might find her way here, and that I might ruin what we stil have. It’s also too painful, still too raw, even
though I’ve been mourning the loss of this close friendship for several years
now. I go through phases I guess, and
recently I’ve been feeling it again.
So I know there is still much more to say than what I’m
about to say here. But I want to keep it
brief. (As you can see, three paragraphs
in, I’m failing dismally. Brevity is not
my strong suit!)
One of the friendship issues that I see women face is how
they cope when they are the only one in their circle of friends who doesn’t
have children. I don’t know how they
cope with that, as it is not something I have had to face. Yes, I know how
lucky I am.
Nicole posted about this in “Who will be our friends wheneveryone has kids?” Even back when I was
in my 20s, I was determinedly NOT trying to conceive, fiercely resisting the
expectations that, as a woman, my first job would be to procreate. I never said never, but quite definitely said
“not now, not yet.” I was going to do it
when it was right for me. Not when
people thought I should. And so I found
it hard to think of our other friends having kids, when it was so far from my
own immediate thoughts at the time.
By the time I was 30, only a few of my friends had
children. And it really didn’t affect my
life. One of my oldest friends had
children but really didn’t change her (outward) lifestyle much at all. We got to know the children well - G spent
his first birthday at our apartment in Bangkok - but we never felt that we
could only ever talk about the children.
Our relationship continued with little change. And there was never any judgement about our
choice (at the time) not to have children, or any pressure to do so. (Well, with the exception of obnoxious
brothers-in-law).
I made new friends, friends without children, and friends
with children. But again, these parents
were people who had wider interests, who were intelligent, curious, and had
more to talk about than their children. They
all adored being parents, being mothers, but they never pressured me, and when
I did try to conceive, and had losses, they supported me, and some of the
parents were the people I was able to talk to most openly.
This wasn’t the case with everyone in my life though. Some friendships/relationships
did change. But most didn’t. And even if they did, they tended to be
staggered. Not everyone in my life got
pregnant at the same time. They very
thoughtfully spread their child-bearing over about 20 years. So I never felt completely isolated at any
one time.
Now of course I am in my 40s (not for much longer – argh!), and
in a different phase of life. I don’t
expect any of my current friends or immediate family (or in-law family) to have
any more children. (Although the
youngest child in our life will only be 4 this year). But any new children in my life now will be in
another generation – the children of nieces and nephews, or the children of
children of friends. Yes, my friends and
sisters and siblings-in-law will most likely be grand-parents. That has started already. I don’t expect it will be too painful, simply
because these are the same people who were sensitive when they were parents. I don’t expect them to change their
personalities and become painful, insensitive grand-parents.
So I’m pleased to report that this is a time when I am
reclaiming my friendships. Children grow
up, parents discover babysitters, and even if they did withdraw from your life
for a time, most of my friends/family have returned with a vengeance. And that’s something to look forward to. My sister-in-law and I are even planning the
day that my niece can be the “designated driver” on a trip to the wineries of
the Barossa or Margaret River Valley! She’d
better hurry up and get her drivers’ licence.
Thank you for writing this. I really appreciate hearing about this issue from your perspective. As one of the few people in my small circle of friends that has a child, I've been very careful not to thrust my motherhood on to my friends. I rarely bring up my daughter if someone doesn't ask about her first. And it's not that I wish I could talk about her, usually I'm THRILLED to talk about something, ANYTHING, else. I love to discuss current events or just hear what my friends are doing. I feel like there are other parts of me that are dying to get out.
ReplyDeleteBut then I read all these articles and posts about how moms can only talk about their kids and ditch there non-mom friends and I wonder if maybe I'm experiencing my conversations with my friends differently than they happen. Do I only talk about my daughter?! God I hope not.
Reading your post gives me hope that there are moms who can celebrate other parts of their lives. It gives me hope that I might be one of those women. I hope I am.
I'm so glad you have kept so many of your friends. The idea that women would be separated by whether or not they have kids makes me incredibly sad. I'm so glad to hear that it doesn't happen to everyone.
Thanks again for sharing this.
Interesting read. I'm in my early 30s fast approaching mid 30s and the only reprieve for me is that I live faraway from "the breeders" (many of my Indo friends and ex-school friends are now having their second or third child - some are just starting to have their first child while some are still single).
ReplyDeleteAmong my closest friends, only one is single and I can tell that she can relate to some of my IF losses, though she'd rather not talk about it (she did mention it once, though). The rest are married, though some haven't tried having kids yet (but I suspect they will in the future). Some have one kid or kids already and maybe they will have another one later. In my TTC days, I used to be so scared about what I'd feel if one of them gets pregnant - now that we've surrendered, I feel "safe" from that fear.
Here in Finland, I hang out with people who've got kids or older kids (empty nesters), so my life isn't surrounded with little kids. Because of this and because of the fact that I have more blogger friends than real life friends here with kids, I have an arms-length experience with people with kids. I don't know what's gonna happen in the future, though...I mean about friendship. I suspect it's gonna still be this way (knowing me): many more blogger and long-distance online friends than real-life friends ha ha....
Amel, I loved this. "Now that we've surrendered, I feel safe from that fear." What a wonderful insight, and reaction, to our situation. Getting to that degree of freedom and relaxation has taken me much longer than you. Bravo!
DeleteWhat a great post!!
ReplyDeleteI have found that some of the friends that wondered have come back...but, it is up to me to let go of past feelings of being abondoned and akward, and simply move forward into the friendship again. I must admit, it is hard.
It is hard. Very hard. And that's what I'm about to post about.
Delete"So I’m pleased to report that this is a time when I am reclaiming my friendships." It is so lovely to reading something positive like this. Thank you for an uplifting post on an issue that the blogosphere makes clear is on lots of our minds.
ReplyDeleteThank you for this lovely response post. I have learned from you post and the comments on mine, that I think friendships can be effected by children, but not always. That people with children want friends who don't have children for some much needed adult time and talk. And that it can be easy to fit into the lives of those with children. Also, I am seeing that I will probably find childfree friends pretty organically.
ReplyDeleteReally appreciate your great thoughts and insight!
I've recently left my 40s and find the friendship thing a whole lot easier now. Although many of my friends have kids, they are also older, putting the parents back, sort of, in my bracket. Their lives are not revolving around their children. It's a nice benefit of aging. Now if only I can find some more of those benefits!
ReplyDeleteI'm so happy that you write here and that I read here.
ReplyDeleteI'm so happy you read here too, IB!
DeleteI'm with you, Mali. I'm interested in friendships that are full-bodied, well-rounded -- just like my wine ;-) ...
ReplyDeleteBarossa and Margaret Valley -- count me in!
Well, I'm definitely full-bodied and well-rounded!!
DeleteThank you for writing this. This gives me hope that there will be a time I can establish friendships again.
ReplyDeleteI love the concept or reclaiming friendship.
ReplyDeleteIt is lovely to read one of your older posts... I missed this one then.